Comments on: Runic Inscription on the Staraya Ladoga Stick https://www.vikingrune.com/2016/03/runic-inscription-on-the-staraya-ladoga-stick/ Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:15:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7 By: Pete Forest https://www.vikingrune.com/2016/03/runic-inscription-on-the-staraya-ladoga-stick/comment-page-1/#comment-66485 Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:15:20 +0000 http://www.vikingrune.com/?p=9950#comment-66485 In reply to Phil Nielsen.

What is/are the source(s) of your information relating to the Elder Futhark representing the ’24 gods & goddesses’?

This is a new one on me.

Who has said what you claim? What/who are the sources of their claims?

Your spelling of magical as ‘magickal’ suggests a ‘new age’ occultist source.

#1:
The Rúnatal & The Ljódatal do not mention any specific symbols. In fact, The Ljódatal refers to ‘songs’ (i.e. ‘vocalised spells/incantations’).

So, inadvertently, you have got that partly right.

But then you contradict yourself with your 24 deities claim.

The word ‘rune’ indicates ‘secret/charm/spell’, and does NOT indicate the Futhark(s). It’s actually an unfortunate conventional misnomer to refer to the letters of the Futhark as ‘runes’.

The names of the ‘runes’ come from the Rune Poems, which are mnemonic verses.

#2:
The edicts you refer to relate to the use of sorcery/cursing/etc., and were not necessarily from the Roman Catholic Church. The pre-Christian Norse had taboos against sorcery, finding it rather distasteful. They did not like witchcraft either.

If anything, beyond law and lore/tradition, there was no unifying common ‘religion’ in ancient Norse society. There was no Norse ‘bible’, no ‘Book of Common Prayer’.

There is NO basis in the claims of ‘tradition’ made by those who have invented ‘Old’ religions, let alone ‘runic tantra’. Why do all the rituals seem (like Wicca) to be travesties of Christian ritual (And why do the high priests always seem to dress like Christian monks!)?

#3:
Your claim that the meanings of the ‘runes’ were changed by the ‘rune masters’ is in itself an admission that they themselves were making it up as they went along.

But this a new one on me.
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The problem with the occultists’ approach is that they extrapolate falsely, taking the bits they like and embellishing them according to their respective agendas, even using the Tarot or the I-Ching to discover the ‘meanings’ of the ‘runes’!

1+1 does not equal 11!

The sources are available, in many excellent translations.

I refer you to them.

Remember: do not climb a tree that has no roots.

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By: Oscar https://www.vikingrune.com/2016/03/runic-inscription-on-the-staraya-ladoga-stick/comment-page-1/#comment-64901 Fri, 21 Jul 2023 03:08:42 +0000 http://www.vikingrune.com/?p=9950#comment-64901 Given that it’s poetry I’d put money down that the artist was a smug prick who wanted his poetry to have multiple valid readings to appear more clever than he actually is.

Because every society has poets who think puns are a deep and meaningful expression of how clever they are.

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By: Peter Seymour https://www.vikingrune.com/2016/03/runic-inscription-on-the-staraya-ladoga-stick/comment-page-1/#comment-47354 Sun, 28 Oct 2018 12:12:35 +0000 http://www.vikingrune.com/?p=9950#comment-47354 Perhaps the most rewarding exercise would be to have got all these ‘experts’ together in one room, and record the argument.

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By: Viking Rune https://www.vikingrune.com/2016/03/runic-inscription-on-the-staraya-ladoga-stick/comment-page-1/#comment-45854 Mon, 07 Aug 2017 11:18:10 +0000 http://www.vikingrune.com/?p=9950#comment-45854 In reply to skotokhalifa.

So do I.

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By: Viking Rune https://www.vikingrune.com/2016/03/runic-inscription-on-the-staraya-ladoga-stick/comment-page-1/#comment-45853 Mon, 07 Aug 2017 11:17:58 +0000 http://www.vikingrune.com/?p=9950#comment-45853 In reply to Phil Nielsen.

I don’t think so, Phil.

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By: Viking Rune https://www.vikingrune.com/2016/03/runic-inscription-on-the-staraya-ladoga-stick/comment-page-1/#comment-45852 Mon, 07 Aug 2017 11:15:18 +0000 http://www.vikingrune.com/?p=9950#comment-45852 In reply to Jonathan Eells.

Jonathan, I think anybody couldn’t do that. May be anyone as competent in Old Norse as the scholars above, but that’s a different thing.

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By: Jonathan Eells https://www.vikingrune.com/2016/03/runic-inscription-on-the-staraya-ladoga-stick/comment-page-1/#comment-45726 Wed, 26 Apr 2017 15:20:05 +0000 http://www.vikingrune.com/?p=9950#comment-45726 The gobsmacking disparity in translations by genuine scholars is actually quite heartening. It means that anybody can take a stab at generating an interpretation, although perhaps more as a meditative exercise than an effort towards an authoritative translation.

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By: Phil Nielsen https://www.vikingrune.com/2016/03/runic-inscription-on-the-staraya-ladoga-stick/comment-page-1/#comment-45621 Tue, 28 Feb 2017 01:59:05 +0000 http://www.vikingrune.com/?p=9950#comment-45621 one must remember that the first runes were not letters at all. they were secret symbols and magickal signs. the Elder Futhark has been said to represent the 24 gods and goddesses of the Æsir, Asnynir, and Vanir. it was changed to the meanings we know now by the runemasters after the Catholic Church issued an edict outlawing the use of the runes in the 12th Century and then again in the 14th

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By: skotokhalifa https://www.vikingrune.com/2016/03/runic-inscription-on-the-staraya-ladoga-stick/comment-page-1/#comment-45382 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 13:31:21 +0000 http://www.vikingrune.com/?p=9950#comment-45382 I love the rune magic…

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